British Golden Ale Miraculix Best - Classic English Ale

[balrog]

Thanks for the..... Kind words?

Absolutely intended to be kind; I cannot in good conscience make this recipe with the wrong hops!

 

[DBhomebrew]

FWIW, a batch with Saaz is proving to be perfectly enjoyable.

 

[Miraculix]

FWIW, a batch with Saaz is proving to be perfectly enjoyable.

Been there done that, I wholeheartedly agree!

Also Mittelfrüh is an excellent choice, as is Perle and probably a whole lot more.

 

[Erik the Anglophile]

It wouldn't be "inauthentic" either, as Brittish brewers judging by old brewing records regularly spiced things up with the odd continental hop....

 

[Miraculix]

It wouldn't be "inauthentic" either, as Brittish brewers judging by old brewing records regularly spiced things up with the odd continental hop....

I think it was more about prices and availability, but they surely used off shore hops. Also American ones.

 

[balrog]

FWIW, a batch with Saaz is proving to be perfectly enjoyable.

Been there done that, I wholeheartedly agree!

Also Mittelfrüh is an excellent choice, as is Perle and probably a whole lot more.

Sehr interessant.

I have both Saaz and MIttelfruh.

Hmmmm.

 

[Miraculix]

Sehr interessant.

I have both Saaz and MIttelfruh.

Hmmmm.

Saaz is a bit rougher and mittelfrüh is a bit more delicate. Both highly enjoyable!

 

[balrog]

I wonder what Balrog just made...

I'm calling it the Mittelfruh Miraculix.

 

[Gadjobrinus]

It wouldn't be "inauthentic" either, as Brittish brewers judging by old brewing records regularly spiced things up with the odd continental hop....

That was one of the things I discovered reading through Ron Pattinson's Vintage book. Never knew this. Strisselspalt (1918 Courage Double Stout), Spalt (1885 Young XP), Styrian (1939 Barclay Perkins IPA; 1939 Maclay SA), Saaz (1933 Lee's Bitter; 1868 Tetley XX), Hallertauer (1920 Fuller's XX Mild; 1909 Maclay Pl 60/-).

The other one that really surprised me was North American Cluster from Canada and the U.S.. It's everywhere in these recipes, even though even then (1863 Farmer' Almanac) North American hops weren't universally esteemed:

...The hops from Canada and the States, in the opinion of the best judges, still exhibit the disagreeable flavour which renders them quite unsuitable for fine qualities of ales....

 

[Shenanigans]

That was one of the things I discovered reading through Ron Pattinson's Vintage book. Never knew this. Strisselspalt (1918 Courage Double Stout), Spalt (1885 Young XP), Styrian (1939 Barclay Perkins IPA; 1939 Maclay SA), Saaz (1933 Lee's Bitter; 1868 Tetley XX), Hallertauer (1920 Fuller's XX Mild; 1909 Maclay Pl 60/-).

The other one that really surprised me was North American Cluster from Canada and the U.S.. It's everywhere in these recipes, even though even then (1863 Farmer' Almanac) North American hops weren't universally esteemed:

It's over 10 years ago but I think I remember reading something similar in "For the love of hops by Stan Hieronymus" that American hops were used in England back then but not everyone was convinced about them as they had some kind of abbrasive twang compared to British nobel hops.

 

[Gadjobrinus]

It's over 10 years ago but I think I remember reading something similar in "For the love of hops by Stan Hieronymus" that American hops were used in England back then but not everyone was convinced about them as they had some kind of abbrasive twang compared to British nobel hops.

It's not "catty," is it?

 

[Miraculix]

That was one of the things I discovered reading through Ron Pattinson's Vintage book. Never knew this. Strisselspalt (1918 Courage Double Stout), Spalt (1885 Young XP), Styrian (1939 Barclay Perkins IPA; 1939 Maclay SA), Saaz (1933 Lee's Bitter; 1868 Tetley XX), Hallertauer (1920 Fuller's XX Mild; 1909 Maclay Pl 60/-).

The other one that really surprised me was North American Cluster from Canada and the U.S.. It's everywhere in these recipes, even though even then (1863 Farmer' Almanac) North American hops weren't universally esteemed:

If i remember correctly, most of the times the non-English hops were historically used for bittering additions, while reserving the flavour additions for more traditional English or maybe German hops.

 

[Shenanigans]

It's not "catty," is it?

It's been a long time I need to read it again to see the exact term he used.
It might have been just a harsher bitterness.

 

[kmarkstevens]

I am especially sensitive to "cat whiz" aka "catty" aka comes across as very skunked. I can't stand most American hops, especially the C family, as these usually manifest to my palate as dank, skunked, cat whiz.

It's a meme with my LHBS regular crew, and while I take a sip of all beers, I can't do more than that for most of the American IPA's.

 

[Miraculix]

I am especially sensitive to "cat whiz" aka "catty" aka comes across as very skunked. I can't stand most American hops, especially the C family, as these usually manifest to my palate as dank, skunked, cat whiz.

It's a meme with my LHBS regular crew, and while I take a sip of all beers, I can't do more than that for most of the American IPA's.

That's tough man!

But you can always go back to the classic UK ipas.

Speaking of which..... Need to brew one!

 

[Erik the Anglophile]

Just brew a pale ale and call it IPA...

 

[Miraculix]

Just brew a pale ale and call it IPA...

Works.

But in my mind, an IPA is stronger and a bit more bitter than a pale ale. At least the historic ones.

I know there are certainly historic examples where this is not the case, but for simple minded people like myself, let's keep things simple.

I've got marris otter, that's all the malt. Then a noble hop, probably only two additions, one bittering, one fifteen minutes.

45 to 50 ibus all noble, 1.06 og.

Safale 04 starter, probably two steps, first step 3g of s04, second step the previous step plus 3g of Nottingham.

This should get the ale done nice and quick!

 

[DBhomebrew]

But in my mind, an IPA is stronger and a bit more bitter than a pale ale. At least the historic ones.

I know there are certainly historic examples where this is not the case, but for simple minded people like myself, let's keep things simple.

A little exercise that put that notion to the test.

 

[balrog]

I think the exotherm has happened.